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Post by Sith Lord on Mar 23, 2008 3:10:48 GMT -5
On my"HONOR", i will do my best. To do my duty, for the Sith and my master. To hate other people at all times. To keep myself physical strong,mentally focused, and morally corrupted.
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Post by Darth Generiq on Mar 24, 2008 3:07:16 GMT -5
My definition of honor is doing what is MOST right both in the moment and the long run.
As for society's definition, it seems to to change daily, depending on race, religion and creed.
As for my example of honor, I live the best that I can every day, and try to inspire others to live honorably by example.
Honorable combat is in my opinion an oxymoron. To have"honor" in combat implies that there is a sense of rules, or fair play or even a sense of right or wrong. Which in turn implies that the combat is based on a sense of pride or ego. Combat should always be a last resort, a matter of survival. If the result of a situation is combat, honor has already left the building. Sport dueling is a different matter altogether. Honorable sport dueling should entail respect for one's opponent and their safety, control, honesty, and an adherence to any rules set by referees or arbiters.
A time when one close to me was traitorous was during a game of Sith Assassin being played by members of our order. I had made an agreement with my wife to not let anyone into our home who may be playing and coming to "kill" me. Despite that, she made arrangements with two and a half "assassins" (the half was 7 years old and tiny) to let them into my home and kill me in my sleep. Bah!!!
I know what the quote is, but only because you told me. I have not read the particular literature that the quote comes from in MANY years, and was forced to at the time, so didn't pay much attention to it.
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Post by gileanofgrey on Mar 24, 2008 14:58:51 GMT -5
I gather by a quote I read in another thread on your site that Philosophy is not a big part of your communication here. I shall challenge you in hopes that we shall all get to know one another better... "We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst" What does this quote mean to you? Define honor, by both societies, and your own standards. Give an example of a way you might live in an honorable fashion (personal experience, no bragging please, ha ha). Describe your perspective on honorable combat. Give an example of a time in your life when you have perceived some one close to you as traitorous. Bonus to any one who can tell me what this quote is from. (no internet research, on your honor...) Have fun, I will look forward to reading your replies The quote means just that we mock honored and yet are surprised when we find out that no one amongst us has it. Honor it's simplicity is just the ability to stick to your morale values and adhere to them to the fullest. An evil man as well as a good man can be honorable as long as they stick to their beliefs. My own standards are the same. Honorable combat is irrelevent in terms of the weapons and the rules. Honorable combat pertains to the ideal of fighting for a just cause, again if we define honor based on the man we base this on whatever that man's morale standard being. In the true sense of the word *fight* the rules of honor are irrelevent because victory needs to be the end result or the fight was in vain. I was betrayed by an ex...big deal who isn't? Where is that quote from? haven't the foggiest. |
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Post by Bar Jedi on Mar 24, 2008 15:21:47 GMT -5
i know that quote, however for the life of me i can't place it...
i agree that honor is a subjective word that depends largly on how you were brought up, and what you have learned.
as mentioned in 300 respect and honor go hand in hand. as for a definition of honor... i believe it to be something that you know inside, more of a feeling. if you can look at a given situation that you were in and in reviewing thaat situation you feel in your heart you acted justly, then you acted with honor.
as far as honorable combat... the idea is there, asking and being granted quarter, no back stabbing, not punching someone wearing glasses, no hair pulling... that sort of thing, yet now it seems like if you don't gang up on someone that beat you up, you have no honor. it would, in my opinion, seem that honor, and the idea of honor has lost a lot of what it once meant.
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Post by Sith Lord on Mar 25, 2008 2:47:09 GMT -5
HONOR - Be true to oneself.
COURAGE - Fear nothing , but respect everything
COMMITMENT - Be true to the ones close to you
There is a Jedi inside me. He tries to get out, but I push him back in.
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Post by Darth Generiq on Mar 25, 2008 3:22:22 GMT -5
Prefer to challenge them to a face to face duel rather than kill them in their sleep, huh Derrick? Really? Really and truly? Hmmm... Bthbbbthbbbthbbb  |
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Post by Varekei on Mar 25, 2008 13:36:51 GMT -5
Prefer to challenge them to a face to face duel rather than kill them in their sleep, huh Derrick? Really? Really and truly? Hmmm... Bthbbbthbbbthbbb I have to disagree with my friend Marius regarding courage. I think true courage is when you are afraid, but manage to behave bravely in spite of that. Back to the quote, I think it also speaks to the point that many of us expect to be treated better than we are willing to treat other people. |
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Post by Darth Generiq on Mar 26, 2008 1:03:18 GMT -5
I'm glad courage was brought up in this thread. I believe that courage and honor are close bound. Honor would be near impossible to achieve without courage. As stated earlier, my personal definition of honor is to do what is most right both in the moment, and the long run. My personal definition of courage is to what is most right, even if (or especially if) you don't want to, whatever the reason.
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